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I purchased a new car in NY in 2002 immediately upon moving into the state. I was required to prove my identity by producing "6 points" and proof of my date of birth by the following schedule:
I bought the car on the same day we had scheduled to close on a new house, so it was a busy day. Having an out of state driver's license, no NY address, no local utility bill, not realizing that I should have brought my US Passport and Honorable Discharge to buy a Toyota, I had great difficulty "proving" my identity. The sales manager finally fudged the system and accepted my Colorado Fishing License for one point.
Don't get me wrong, I do not believe that I am better than anyone. However, I do have a legitimate claim to undisputed citizenship in this country. I was born here. I've paid Federal and State taxes since I was fourteen years old. I've served in the Marine Corps and had a career in Law Enforcement with a Secret government clearance.
You and I will endure the above described system without complaint, knowing the very serious situations giving rise to these measures.
So, my amigos, when a cop asks you for ID, in your native language... wouldn't want to inconvenience you... shut up, show the man your green card, or get on the bus.
I think it all stems back to the basic premise of innocent until proven guilty and the right to privacy.
For example, some would say they have no issue having the NSA/FBI listen to all their phone conversations. If you are innocent, you have nothing to hide. Yet, in American we have said that is not right most of the time.
We have left many guilty people off preserving rights, etc. and trying to minimize the number of innocent people convicted (plenty of them too).
Civil libertarians take these literally since applied by less than honest people (and there are many) can be used to harass innocent people (profiling, it does happen a lot) despite the noble goal.
We have enough checkpoints to catch illegals if enforced (getting a drivers license, etc).
Both parties really want to court Hispanic voters so that is why it is a mess.
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We have left many guilty people off preserving rights, etc. and trying to minimize the number of innocent people convicted (plenty of them too).
I'm not aware of anyone complaining about being deported erroneously.
Both parties really want to court Hispanic voters so that is why it is a mess./QUOTE]
That's the real issue! Let's be honest. So why don't we save a lot of hassle and raise the Mexican flag on the state capitols of AZ, TX, NM, CO and SOCAL and be done with it?
...now the Feds have to get off their butts and make an enforceable law
We can certainly point fingers at previous administrations for sitting on their hands when discussing this subject. That said, I feel completely confident in saying; "not under this president's term/s (?)". Barry doesn't dare doing anything that might endanger the hispancomvote (Hispanic Community's Vote), he needs them come election time.
It's sad, this shouldn't have anything to do with skin color. I have a few good friends that are Hispanic Americans, they feel the same way about the illegal immigration issue as the right wingers. Somewhere out there is a plan that effectively deals with those choosing to enter the country illegally that still allows those who go through the proper channels access to this great country. We just don't have representation that will collectively stick their necks out and make it law that will (notice I didn't say can) be enforced.
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Hey that's me! I'm an anchor baby. My parents crossed illegally, drove right through the border (in the 70's) without a hassle and have remained here ever since. My dad has been working at the same factory over 30 years. My mother worked at a hospital for 15 years before she past away. Overall I love this country, that's a fact. But I also hate it for many reasons. Biggest reason of all, there is so much hate here and so little accountability. Most people here point fingers and blame others (scapegoats) but always fail to point their fingers at themselves. Most people here and everywhere will say their s*$t don't stink, but never truly believe how imperfect they and we all are.
I'm not trying to convince anybody here about anything because no matter what reasons I present, most have already made up their minds. That's ok, nothing wrong with that. I have no point to make because that would be pointless (pardon the pun). But I will say a thing or two. For every negative consequence you can come up with that illegals commit in this country, you can come up with 10x as many positives they provide.
Do I think it's right they are here illegally, NO! Am I willing to commit racial profiling to remove them, NO! Is this bill committing racial profiling, YES and you know it, but that's ok with you and many others because it will rid this country of "the problem" right? Get all illegals out of here and this country will be better for it, right?
There was a video I saw posted on this site, it was a good video, the guy with the gumball theory. He makes the best point of all, you want Mexicans to stop coming to America, then Mexico needs to get their heads out of their a## and start improving living conditions there. That is the key, believe that. Btw, this is not directed at you OCD, it's my opinion and I'm sharing it with whoever takes the time to read it.
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"Protesters who gathered at the state Capitol and outside the U.S. Embassy in Mexico City cheered when they heard the news."
Give me a break! Cheering because they have been given a reprieve to continue to violate a neighboring nation's laws!
Why is it that we never see a boatload of Scandanavians sneaking onto the docks in NYC, or a semi-trailer full of Asians dying in the heat? Where are Mexico's activists who will fight against organized crime, government corruption, poverty, illiteracy and human rights abuse at home?
Mexico is a beautiful country with a wealth of natural resources and wonderful cultures. Its people are among the friendliest and most generous on earth. Unfortunately, she has fallen into a despair without hope for a brighter future.
I do not blame the individual Mexican citizen who must risk everything to improve his and his family's lives. I certainly would do the same. But, when will the "silent majority" rise up and take their country back? Would the energy spent today demanding to be permitted to violate our laws not be better spent revolting against injustice at home?
La Mordida, the quaint tradition of government by bribery, has matured over the generations to its inevitable natural conclusion. Mexico is now ruled by drug lords, human traffickers and corrupt government officials.
Hey that's me! I'm an anchor baby. My parents crossed illegally, drove right through the border (in the 70's) without a hassle and have remained here ever since. My dad has been working at the same factory over 30 years. My mother worked at a hospital for 15 years before she past away. Overall I love this country, that's a fact. But I also hate it for many reasons. Biggest reason of all, there is so much hate here and so little accountability. Most people here point fingers and blame others (scapegoats) but always fail to point their fingers at themselves. Most people here and everywhere will say their s*$t don't stink, but never truly believe how imperfect they and we all are.
I'm not trying to convince anybody here about anything because no matter what reasons I present, most have already made up their minds. That's ok, nothing wrong with that. I have no point to make because that would be pointless (pardon the pun). But I will say a thing or two. For every negative consequence you can come up with that illegals commit in this country, you can come up with 10x as many positives they provide.
Do I think it's right they are here illegally, NO! Am I willing to commit racial profiling to remove them, NO! Is this bill committing racial profiling, YES and you know it, but that's ok with you and many others because it will rid this country of "the problem" right? Get all illegals out of here and this country will be better for it, right?
There was a video I saw posted on this site, it was a good video, the guy with the gumball theory. He makes the best point of all, you want Mexicans to stop coming to America, then Mexico needs to get their heads out of their a## and start improving living conditions there. That is the key, believe that. Btw, this is not directed at you OCD, it's my opinion and I'm sharing it with whoever takes the time to read it.
I don't see anybody here who said they were perfect nor do I believe that my sh*t don't stink. I have no problem with legal immigrants but I do have a problem with people who blatantly violate the law, get treated better than most tax-paying citizens and then say they don't get anything. This entitlement baloney has gone much too far. Yes Mexico needs to fix its problems but with the US border so loosely patrolled and the laws essentially unenforced, there's no drive. Why bother fixing up your house when you can move to the neighborhood up the street? If you fix the broken border, it may encourage people in Mexico to start making things better.
If you cross illegally into most countries, you'll get thrown into prison or sometimes worse but it seems that breaking into the USA comes with no repercussions. It's like breaking into an all-expenses paid resort; somebody else is picking up the tab.
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Even sometimes I, in a moment of what could only be described as pure sanity, question the rationality of this obsession.
For every negative consequence you can come up with that illegals commit in this country, you can come up with 10x as many positives they provide.
Please feel free to explain the list of positives that (you think) illegal immigrants provide. Outside of doing work that most Americans are either too lazy to do or think they are too good to do, I can't really think of a whole lot of positive influences that illegal immigrants provide. They come here and leach services that they (most all of the time) don't help to fund while those of us who do fund them get shorted. Examples would be education, health care, etc. Perhaps my white pointy hat is covering my eyes, but I just don't see it.
I have no fault with someone trying to move to a place to better their family, but I got a problem with someone who blatantly breaks federal law and spits on the sovereignty of a nation to do so.
And let's not forget that protecting the border is more than just keeping illegal immigrants from pouring in a 3 million+ per year - we've also got to try and safeguard against folks coming in here who want to do harm to our citizens.
There was a video I saw posted on this site, it was a good video, the guy with the gumball theory. He makes the best point of all, you want Mexicans to stop coming to America, then Mexico needs to get their heads out of their a## and start improving living conditions there.
I'll make a long story short, i live in Arizona, if you dont like the law move here for 6 months then i promise you WILL reconsider your previous statement.
We as a nation need to step up and take our country back. No American can feel like they're above hard labor, like the work most illegals are doing now, when you're broke on your ass and dead in the water. The nation is in a "job crisis" yet there is work to be had: Send illegals back, put your gloves on, and go to work. So what if prices go up on the price tag, that means taxes go down because we're no longer paying for healthcare/educaion/etc. for people who haven't earned their place in this country. It's a balancing act and its well worth it to put that money back in the hands of an American. That's jobs created which means American's earning a living instead of waiting for welfare checks.
I fully understand that we are a nation of immigrants. We are a melting pot of every different creed and color possible. That doesn't mean we should hold an open invitation for immigrants. There is a way, as an immigrant, to be become a legal citizen and this process is set in place for a reason. One has to become a part of the system to do there part here in America. We must work as a nation to better our country. Illegals are parasites to this process, parasites to our economy and to our nation as a whole.
American's need to create a "Great Wall of America" and enforce provisions that protect our sacred land. As someone already stated some figure of $500 bil. that would stay in America every year just by ridding illegal immigrants. That's more money circulating in our economy. That's more value to the American dollar. That's a lot more money developing small business like ours as detailers. It takes money to make money and I'm sure every American reading this would like a few more $$ in their bank. By allowing illegals to stay here, we're basically just sending our hard earned money down the drain. We have to stand up and take our borders back
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