The Hybrid Invasion is coming

[cartoysautospa]

what kind of HP do you have for your vette to turn those times in the 1/4 ?

[black bart]

Originally Posted by cartoysautospa

what kind of HP do you have for your vette to turn those times in the 1/4 ?

1178 on boost only but it has a 150 shot of NOS also.
It is just a street driven car with power windows and AC NOT a stripped track car.
The technology is out their to get awesome economy and power but Ford is the only one so far that is even scratching the surface of what can be done.
If you want power and economy forced induction is the only way to have both, The new Eco-boost looks promising.

[cartoysautospa]

you got the cheater.....ic ,lol If the was a street car you would have to have about 850 hp.................personally I like a car that runs just on H.P.

[memnuts]

I just don't understand all the hype regarding gasoline hybrids. I had the displeasure of getting a prius as a rental and had to drive from Chicago to Moline and back for business. Keep in mind my DD is a 400 hp SUV that does 14's from the factory and the suspension was tuned to run the 'ring. The prius was an appliance at best and I felt the gas mileage was not worth the added money. A diesel from even the '80's will get you the same gas mileage. Heck VW and BMW have developed diesel electric hybrids that get 80+ miles to the gallon. why don't they bring them over here? Not enough interest if you can believe that. america has the cheapest gasoline prices without subsidies in the world. The other thing about gasoline based hybrids is also the enviromental impact of the raw materials. Gasonline requires more energy and additives to produce one gallon vs. diesel. i won't go into battery production because all hybrids right now require Li-ion or Li-po.
What is really needed is a system such as fuel cells those are trully the answer to getting away from fossil fuels. Or even plug in cars such as the volt. the major problem being where does the electricity come from. Once we can find a good safe and sound way of getting rid of waste fission material or fusion is commercially viable then plug in electrics will be the right solution.

[black bart]

Originally Posted by cartoysautospa

you got the cheater.....ic ,lol If the was a street car you would have to have about 850 hp.................personally I like a car that runs just on H.P.

What do you mean I would need 850 hp I know a guy that has a C4 with 2400 HP and he drives it on the street some but I would not call it streetable.
What some call streetable I call radical.
I could make more power but I wanted it to be fun to drive on the street not a PITA to drive.
I'm not interested in drag racing but I have been to a strip but road racing appeals to me much more than drag racing.
Here is the C4 that is driven on the street and strip
YouTube - 401ci 106mm turbo Corvette

[JPS51830]

I have the Fusion Hybrid...and I'll tell you it's a great car for daily/general use. Rock solid and has a nice ride to it along with a peppy little4 cylinder engine. And the mileage on highway varies a little between 47 and 51 depending on conditions. And that's at a steady 65 mph, I use the cruise control alot with it since you physically cannot out perform the computer and it gives it power when it needs it and then just let's it cruise. Around town it gets 42ish depending on stop and go traffic. I drive a 112 miles a day with it and averager about 715 miles on a tank. And believe me I don't baby this car at all, abeit I don't beat the crap out of it either. I also have a fully loaded explorer as well.

When I want fast and cruising together I just jump into the stang. Full interior, ac, stereo etc. 3965 lbs car. Just ran it at the track in Oct. Pulled a best run of10.594 at 131.84 MPH. That's on a set of Nitto drag radials 305*45*18 rear,255*45*18 front.

So basically, I have no problem with hybrids. This ones fun to drive, has quite a bit of stuff in it and I got it for under 22k. Car is tuxedo black, has a real nice metal fake in it and I stay on top of it keeping clean and polished all the time. When I want fast I use the stang. And I do a large majority of the work on the stang myself since I don't trust too many people an their mechanical skills.

[GearHead_1]

Tell us more about the Mustang. What's been done to it?

[Ronkh]

Originally Posted by JPS51830

a peppy little4 cylinder engine. .

[Ronkh]

Originally Posted by memnuts

. The other thing about gasoline based hybrids is also the enviromental impact of the raw materials. Gasonline requires more energy and additives to produce one gallon vs. diesel. i won't go into battery production because all hybrids right now require Li-ion or Li-po.

Now you did it. You ruined the eyeball over substance appeal.

What about the simple fact that when the hybrids were being made abroad, that it took 40-60 gallons of the dirtiest bunker fuel to get from there to here. Or what about the enviornmental impact upon disposal of Li batts. Oh goodness. Tree huggers gonna become poluters. But that shouldn;t matter, they're making a difference. Lets also set aside the fact of the hidden dangers to rescue personnell when they gotta cut your butt outta that reynolds wrap paperweight.

Oh well, think I'll just go listen to Jeff Dunham do his prius skit.

[Scott P]

Originally Posted by Ronkh

Now you did it. You ruined the eyeball over substance appeal.

What about the simple fact that when the hybrids were being made abroad, that it took 40-60 gallons of the dirtiest bunker fuel to get from there to here. Or what about the enviornmental impact upon disposal of Li batts. Oh goodness. Tree huggers gonna become poluters. But that shouldn;t matter, they're making a difference. Lets also set aside the fact of the hidden dangers to rescue personnell when they gotta cut your butt outta that reynolds wrap paperweight.

Oh well, think I'll just go listen to Jeff Dunham do his prius skit.

Last I checked, components for regular vehicles were transported using that bunker fuel, not just hybrids. Li Ion batteries can and will be recycled, just like other types of batteries. And your "hidden dangers" argument? Really? What fear mongering chain email did you get that one from?

[Ronkh]

Originally Posted by Scott P

Last I checked, components for regular vehicles were transported using that bunker fuel, not just hybrids. Li Ion batteries can and will be recycled, just like other types of batteries. And your "hidden dangers" argument? Really? What fear mongering chain email did you get that one from?

My point about the begining part of the post was that it's not as "clean and green" as people may think.

As far as the hidden dangers of emergency vehicle extrication involving a hybrid........ Fear mongering chain email ?!?!?!?!?! Yeah....

I teach extrication. The days of grabbing a tool and cutting the roof/doors off is long gone. If you're a fire fighter and this is the way you go about extrication, either retire or get a new Chief and Safety Officer, before you or someone else gets killed. Yes there are hidden dangers of just cutting...

Are you saying this stuff cuz you think you know or just trying to be arguementative?

[JPS51830]

As far as the hidden dangers of emergency vehicle extrication involving a hybrid........ Fear mongering chain email ?!?!?!?!?! Yeah....

I teach extrication. The days of grabbing a tool and cutting the roof/doors off is long gone. If you're a fire fighter and this is the way you go about extrication, either retire or get a new Chief and Safety Officer, before you or someone else gets killed. Yes there are hidden dangers of just cutting...

And that is the absolute best point of this whole thing IMHO. 31 years in the FD and back to the first air bags began the changes in extrication. You just cannot go and start cutting cars apart without knowing what the hell you are doing unless you want to risk killing the trapped occupants, yourself or your brother FF's. And even mechanical work needs to be done much differently.

Gearhead_1 - the Stang has a 298 stroker with comp stage 2 blower grind cams and FRPP ported heads, GT500 fuel pump with a KB BAP, 69lb injectors, Vortech HO making 15lbs of boost, alcohol/meth injection system, long tubes into a high flow catted X, 4r70w full manual VB trans with a 10" single disc full race tq cvt, trans lock, FRPP 4.10's and a whole bunch of suspension work front and back. I went with the Vortech set-up because just cruising the car it's very well street mannered and then just step on the pedal and bring the beast out of it. Tranny was just put in, custom build by FB Performance in Bay Shore LI. I can't wait to get it to the track in the spring and see what it does now with this set-up. Working on putting a custom cage in it so I don't get kicked off the track

[Ronkh]

Originally Posted by JPS51830

And that is the absolute best point of this whole thing IMHO. 31 years in the FD and back to the first air bags began the changes in extrication. You just cannot go and start cutting cars apart without knowing what the hell you are doing unless you want to risk killing the trapped occupants, yourself or your brother FF's. And even mechanical work needs to be done much differently.

I use the full version of this vid in training class. 2 firefighters were struck by 2 different airbags when a 3rd ff inadvertantly hit something he shouldn't have. oops

So yeah, hidden dangers, even moreso in hybrids.

YouTube - Firefighter injuied by airbag

[GearHead_1]

Originally Posted by JPS51830

Gearhead_1 - the Stang has a 298 stroker with comp stage 2 blower grind cams and FRPP ported heads, GT500 fuel pump with a KB BAP, 69lb injectors, Vortech HO making 15lbs of boost, alcohol/meth injection system, long tubes into a high flow catted X, 4r70w full manual VB trans with a 10" single disc full race tq cvt, trans lock, FRPP 4.10's and a whole bunch of suspension work front and back. I went with the Vortech set-up because just cruising the car it's very well street mannered and then just step on the pedal and bring the beast out of it. Tranny was just put in, custom build by FB Performance in Bay Shore LI. I can't wait to get it to the track in the spring and see what it does now with this set-up. Working on putting a custom cage in it so I don't get kicked off the track

Way cool, a number of years back I used to run several 10 second Mustang's. These ran time in the thin air of the Rockies. I had a half dozen different Mach I's (69 and 70) as well as a Boss 429 (kept it pretty OE) and a couple of Shelby's. These were of course old school with the exception of Nitrous. They were amazing old ponies. One of the 70's would run full street trim (spoilers, louvers, etc.) with just a set of circle track slicks bolted on the back (tire choices were much more limited in the early 80's). It had a Cleveland that would spin to 8500 R.P.M. and ran 10.11/136 m.p.h as it's best. I've loved Mustangs (ask YNOT) since before I began driving and have had a stable full. I give all members that have a Mustang the run down.

[Mr. Clean]

Originally Posted by Ronkh

...What about the simple fact that when the hybrids were being made abroad, that it took 40-60 gallons of the dirtiest bunker fuel to get from there to here. Or what about the enviornmental impact upon disposal of Li batts. Oh goodness. Tree huggers gonna become poluters. But that shouldn;t matter, they're making a difference. Lets also set aside the fact of the hidden dangers to rescue personnell when they gotta cut your butt outta that reynolds wrap paperweight.

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Originally Posted by Ronkh

My point about the begining part of the post was that it's not as "clean and green" as people may think.

As far as the hidden dangers of emergency vehicle extrication involving a hybrid........ Fear mongering chain email ?!?!?!?!?! Yeah....

I teach extrication. The days of grabbing a tool and cutting the roof/doors off is long gone. If you're a fire fighter and this is the way you go about extrication, either retire or get a new Chief and Safety Officer, before you or someone else gets killed. Yes there are hidden dangers of just cutting...

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I have to question your statement of hidden dangers and your inference that somehow hybrid vehicles present more dangers than other "modern" vehicles. With the advent of airbags, new dangers emerged for rescue workers (and passengers alike). These dangers are far from hidden.

And the reynolds wrap paperweight reference??? There were compact and sub-compact vehicles long before the hybrids made scene.