Expensive wax is it worth the $$$$

[black bart]

Here is my original post
I thought that the nearly 100 dollars made it clear what price range I was asking about

Originally Posted by black bart

What is your opinion of the more expensive waxes that cost near 100 bucks or more are they worth it

Since we know that 90 percent is prep to you is it worth paying 5 or 10 times as much for high end wax

After trying products like Pinnacle Souveran and putting DG 105 and NXT 2.0 all on my car at the same time using a different product on each panel in my opinion the answer is NO they are not worth it.

To me they don't look better and they SURE don't last as long so I believe they are a waste of money but would like to know what others think and if you think they are worth it why ..

[GearHead_1]

Anything not available at the Dollar Store is high end in my book.

[black bart]

A good friend of mine works in a body shop for a Chevy dealer.
They do a lot of customs and expensive cars because it is the best body shop around.

This guy came in with a new Mercedes and had front fender damage.

He wanted it repaired but did not want them to touch the rest of the car because he had a $1200.00 wax on it.
My friend said he went on and on about his 1200 dollar wax so he picked up a bottle and a MF towel and started rubbing on the undamaged portion of the damaged fender.

When he buffed it off you could see a spot where he rubbed it.
It had MORE GLOSS and felt Smoother.

The owner of the MB exclaimed what the hell is that stuff and My friend said NXT you can buy it at Wal Mart for less than 15 dollars.

[GearHead_1]

Originally Posted by black bart

My friend said NXT you can buy it at Wal Mart for less than 15 dollars.

So, according to my above definition this is definitely a "High End" wax?

[black bart]

Originally Posted by GearHead_1

So, according to my above definition this is definitely a "High End" wax?

Yes it is to me.

[CharlesW]

Several things can have a bearing on how people perceive the true value of a product.
Ease of use, appearance, durability being a few that seem to be of some value to many people.

For me, ease of use and appearance are pretty high on the list. Durability of 4 to 6 weeks and I am happy.

Cost per use could affect the value factor as well.
Opti-Seal is not cheap at $22 to $25 for 8 oz., but if you take in to account the number of applications you can get from that 8 oz. bottle, it has to be about as economical as most any sealant.

To me, the $10 to $25 range seems to be about where I am most comfortable. I have products that were in that general area and they have done a good job for me.
While I have never used the $50, $90, $150+ products and I can't comment from experience, I can say that I have no interest in them.

Obviously, quite a few people do and that is part of what makes the world go around.

[black bart]

I have 2 tins of Pinnacle Souveran that has had one coat on the vette from one and the other one has never been opened.

When I found something that I liked better I stopped using the PS.

Wax don't work well on a show car in the hot months but since I need to use the PS rather than allow it to sit until it is ruined I may try it next spring while it is cool.
The PS looks good on Black but I can get just as good a look for much less $$$$$.

In recent years SOME sealant have come a long way and to me they look better than wax.

Especially if you have a really good paint job.
When I say good I'm not talking about what comes on a new car that is too thin to show depth.
On a good paint job some sealant will look deep and wet but with more gloss and durability than a wax.

The wax that sells for a $1000.00 or more will always be around because it has snob appeal.

People with a lot of money can afford it and they want something that makes them feel like they have something special like the story I told about the MB owner.

With good salesmanship and a LOT of HYPE these things will always sell.

Makes me think of a couple of rather famous saying's .

A SUCKER IS BORN EVERY MINUTE

A FOOL AND HIS MONEY ARE SOON PARTED

	Pinnacle Natural Brilliance Pinnacle Natural Brilliance is a collection of world class car care products, including our benchmark car wax, Pinnacle Souveran Carnauba Paste Wax.

	Pinnacle Souveran Pinnacle Souverän™ Carnauba Paste Wax is the wax for perfectionists, so named for it’s dazzling, 3-dimensional depth and unmatched brilliance. Formulated with premium grade carnauba, nature’s finest wax, Souverän™ is designed to exceed the standards of the most discriminating enthusiast and collector.

[agentxc_02]

i think it is alot of money for container of wax. It also depending on the size of the container. For example, 16oz of griots best of show wax is around 20 dollars. Then again if u have a lot of vehicles it could be better to spend the $100 for more wax than the quality of the wax.

[cwcad]

A forum member on DC sent me a sample of a high end wax(Vintage). So I can say that I have used one. I also have used a more moderately priced high end wax(Fusion) through another forum member. Plus, I have used the cheaper OTC products. Having experienced the high and the low end products, I have decided that it is my prep and not the product that provides the results for the look that I desire. I must point out that there can be a difference in look that is either... better than or not as good as...but that simply is an eye of the beholder type of thing in my mind. As far as durability is concerned any wax, in my estimation, is less durable than most sealants.

So for me it is not worth the price.

[Tuckermatic]

I agree that wax is wax, what ever it costs.
They all form the same basic function in the same mannor.
The biggest difference is the skill of the person applying it.
At one time wax may have been the end all to protecting a paint job, I never use it now, nor will I ever use it again.

I too have found that there is another product for acrylic paint that surpasses any wax in preservation of that deep acrylic shine.

My problems with wax were numerous.

1. residue and waste, when you compare whats on the car to whats actually on the rag, buffing pad, your clothes.
even the cheapest costing wax is realatively expensive.
2. time to apply, put it on, let it dry, take it off.
3. hazing, dulling and yellowing when the wax gets old
4. a build up of wax that has to eventually be removed.
5. swirl marks in the wax and spider webs scratches in the paint.
6. could not use apply it in hot sun.
7. not able to apply it in the cold.
8. and in the end the paint beneath the wax suffers from all the friction and rubbing involved in the application of wax.

If you are not sure, remove the wax and look at your paint and you will see the defects and evidence of damage from all the rubbing and friction on the paint.

I get tired just thinking about applying wax.
Actually some products that are promoted the most, seem to present the most problems.
Sad thing is. if you find something better and attempt to talk about it, moderators in many forums will delete your post and ban you as a member.
This type of censorship is common in biased forums.

I have found that when any discussion of a product upsets the moderators it's worth looking into.
Why?
Usually it's a better product than their site is promoting.
If not they would ignore it.
The fact is, there is a much better product to protect the color and shine of acrylic paint than common wax but you won't find it in any forum heavily sponsored by wax sellers.

[(901)]

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Originally Posted by Tuckermatic

I agree that wax is wax, what ever it costs.
They all form the same basic function in the same mannor.
The biggest difference is the skill of the person applying it.
At one time wax may have been the end all to protecting a paint job, I never use it now, nor will I ever use it again.

I too have found that there is another product for acrylic paint that surpasses any wax in preservation of that deep acrylic shine.

My problems with wax were numerous.

1. residue and waste, when you compare whats on the car to whats actually on the rag, buffing pad, your clothes.
even the cheapest costing wax is realatively expensive.
2. time to apply, put it on, let it dry, take it off.
3. hazing, dulling and yellowing when the wax gets old
4. a build up of wax that has to eventually be removed.
5. swirl marks in the wax and spider webs scratches in the paint.
6. could not use apply it in hot sun.
7. not able to apply it in the cold.
8. and in the end the paint beneath the wax suffers from all the friction and rubbing involved in the application of wax.

If you are not sure, remove the wax and look at your paint and you will see the defects and evidence of damage from all the rubbing and friction on the paint.

I just get tired thinking about applying wax
Actually some products that are promoted the most, seem to present the most problems.
Sad thing is. if you find something better and attempt to talk about it, moderators in many forums will delete your post and ban you as a member.
This type of censorship is common in biased forums.

I have found that when any discussion of a product upsets the moderators it's worth looking into.
Why?
Usually it's a better product than their site is promoting.
If not they would ignore it.
The fact is, there is a much better product to protect the color and shine of acrylic paint than common wax but you won't find it in any forum heavily sponsored by wax sellers.

^^^^^

[black bart]

WOW that was a long time ago but 15 months later I still have not used the wax it is sitting on the shelf.
Nearly $200.00 worth of wax just sitting going bad but I have no plans for ever using it.

[JaredPointer]

Originally Posted by Tuckermatic

I agree that wax is wax, what ever it costs.
They all form the same basic function in the same mannor.
The biggest difference is the skill of the person applying it.
At one time wax may have been the end all to protecting a paint job, I never use it now, nor will I ever use it again.

I too have found that there is another product for acrylic paint that surpasses any wax in preservation of that deep acrylic shine.

My problems with wax were numerous.

1. residue and waste, when you compare whats on the car to whats actually on the rag, buffing pad, your clothes.
even the cheapest costing wax is realatively expensive.
2. time to apply, put it on, let it dry, take it off.
3. hazing, dulling and yellowing when the wax gets old
4. a build up of wax that has to eventually be removed.
5. swirl marks in the wax and spider webs scratches in the paint.
6. could not use apply it in hot sun.
7. not able to apply it in the cold.
8. and in the end the paint beneath the wax suffers from all the friction and rubbing involved in the application of wax.

If you are not sure, remove the wax and look at your paint and you will see the defects and evidence of damage from all the rubbing and friction on the paint.

I get tired just thinking about applying wax.
Actually some products that are promoted the most, seem to present the most problems.
Sad thing is. if you find something better and attempt to talk about it, moderators in many forums will delete your post and ban you as a member.
This type of censorship is common in biased forums.

I have found that when any discussion of a product upsets the moderators it's worth looking into.
Why?
Usually it's a better product than their site is promoting.
If not they would ignore it.
The fact is, there is a much better product to protect the color and shine of acrylic paint than common wax but you won't find it in any forum heavily sponsored by wax sellers.

Uh oh.... Here it comes......

ACRYLIC PAINT CONDITIONER

[(901)]

Originally Posted by JaredPointer

Uh oh.... Here it comes......

ACRYLIC PAINT CONDITIONER

[JohnHenry]

Do tell, Tucker... what is your miracle product?