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[Ronkh]

Originally Posted by JaredPointer

Eloquently put Sir.

[OCDinPDX]

Originally Posted by cartoysautospa

well Dawn whether you use it one time or not..strips the oils out of the paint. whether your re sealing or what ever...you need the oils in the paint to hold in the gloss. I am curious about this thought , do oyu not re wash your cars after rotary buffing them. I see you blue tape up things that really don't need taping,Ie 3rd brake lamp. I do tape up sometimes but only if I am buffing a small area , while the customer is waiting and I don;t wish to wash the entire vehicle..Your mustang looks good , but it still has a haze to the finish ,unless that's just the lighting. Black paint that is heavily oxidized needs to be polished twice before the sealer is put on, it will make the paint deeper and wetter , in appearance . besides that it looks like you have a good following. just a tip for you though ..if you have a chemical company that you purchase from, have them make you up some soap that will deep clean the paint without stripping the oils from the paint. That's what I have and it's a PH balanced with no alkaloids so it rinses clean with no residue.I don't mention on here what products I use, as all of my products are private labeled and you couldn't buy them unless you got them from me . but find you a chemist......it will save you in the long run.

Do you even know what you're talking about?

[cwcad]

I really enjoyed the pictures and the process listed for the details.

The motorhome that looked as if it had been under water with the Titanic really was dramatic. I have never had that good of luck with such a dilemma.

[Garry Dean]

Originally Posted by cwcad

I really enjoyed the pictures and the process listed for the details.

The motorhome that looked as if it had been under water with the Titanic really was dramatic. I have never had that good of luck with such a dilemma.

Thank you for your comment.

[cartoysautospa]

a little FYI whether water bourne and or urethane paint...........paint contains sub-traits that make them glossy,that mustang shown....does not have water bourne paint if it is a factory paint.cars with water bourne paint are as follows,BMW,LEXUS,MERCEDES,PORSCHE ETC.....However unless your in California.......body shops are not required to re surface(paint) a car with water bourne paint as of yet, but the restrictions are getting more. FYI I do paint vehicles at my facility..I am aware of the rules of the government. In South Carolina this year I will have to obtain a EPA Lic. to be able to buy automotive paint.you will have to take classes and then a inspector will come out to see if your paint booth is compliant.
Now as far as the oxidation thing goes...........when you remove oxidation are you not bringing back the gloss?I am confused. removing oxidation is a time consuming process if done correctly.....................so if your charging the customer and you say you always give more than the customer pays for. make it super glossy ! take the scratches out. You do that and you will have a customer for life ! Most of my customer's are very ANAL........even a ANAL customer to me is not a picky about his car as I can be when working on it. the average guy like that is 85% of perfect.....................if you do it beyond his expectations,he will bring you more business from his friends.

[Anthony O.]

Paints do not have "oils" that they can lose. If that be the case then one should be able to replace those oils. You can't. Thus paints do not have oils.

This is a myth and comes from marketing hype.

"Try our new Polish X! It cleans and replenishes the oils in your paint lost through oxidation!"

Your cars paint will only absorb materials small enough to pass through the cross linking of the paint itself, such as water and other solvents.

This is right up there with, "Our unique buffing process re-flows your paint so as to fill in scratches and swirls!"

Anthony


By the way, nice work on the vehicles

[GearHead_1]

I'm with you on this one Anthony.

[Ronkh]

Originally Posted by Anthony O.

Paints do not have "oils" that they can lose. If that be the case then one should be able to replace those oils. You can't. Thus paints do not have oils.

This is a myth and comes from marketing hype.

"Try our new Polish X! It cleans and replenishes the oils in your paint lost through oxidation!"

Your cars paint will only absorb materials small enough to pass through the cross linking of the paint itself, such as water and other solvents.

This is right up there with, "Our unique buffing process re-flows your paint so as to fill in scratches and swirls!"

Anthony


By the way, nice work on the vehicles

What about an acrylic conditioner ?

[cartoysautospa]

Well actually Anthony..you can re flow the paint to fill in scratches.It is a buffing technique,not a product.It does work 50% of the time and up to 85-90% depending on the depth of the scratch.Maybe The Oils of the paint was not the correct term.... However some car soaps strip away the gloss property's of the paint,whatever you wish to call them, and enough wrong usage of Dish washing detergent for car soap ...will cause the clear coat to splinter,dry out.....and eventually lead to de lamination of the clearcoat finish.
Also.....when continued use of improper car soap ,and the paint becomes dry, dirt and other nasty's tend to embed much deeper....making buffing a harder task for most detailer's.
So excuse me for the improper term

[Anthony O.]

Originally Posted by cartoysautospa

Well actually Anthony..you can re flow the paint to fill in scratches.It is a buffing technique,not a product.It does work 50% of the time and up to 85-90% depending on the depth of the scratch.Maybe The Oils of the paint was not the correct term.... However some car soaps strip away the gloss property's of the paint,whatever you wish to call them, and enough wrong usage of Dish washing detergent for car soap ...will cause the clear coat to splinter,dry out.....and eventually lead to de lamination of the clearcoat finish.
Also.....when continued use of improper car soap ,and the paint becomes dry, dirt and other nasty's tend to embed much deeper....making buffing a harder task for most detailer's.
So excuse me for the improper term

OK, first I agree, dish soap or soaps high on the alkaline scale dry rubber trim and such out.

Secondly you cannot re-flow paint in the sense of filling anything in. If that be true then how do you clean your pads or keep them from gumming up with re-liquefied paint? Think of all the high and low spots you would have if that were possible.

Scratches are not removed when leveling paint, as I am sure you know, but rather the surrounding paint is leveled down to the depth of the scratch thus it only appears the scratch is being removed. When a clear coat is buffed and too much heat is applied, which would be required to "flow" paint, you will either drive the scratch deeper down as the paint expands or you will burn through.

Now it's possible that I am in the wrong here but after speaking with several paint chemists I believe it is impossible to "re-flow" paint. Now I have heard (never seen it) that it's possible to shift paint on lacquer single stage paints and use the oxidized paint to fill in scratches. Again I highly doubt this also.

Anthony

[Spawne32]

i agree, dish soap and antibacterial soap are terrible to use on a car, but reflowing paint, and oils in urethane based paint? lol thats the craziest thing ive ever heard of. clear coat is catalyzed urethane, not oil based, it dries like glass.

i think megs hyper wash would have been a much better choice then dawn dish soap to be honest, just my recommendation but i think you should reconsider the dish soap.

[cartoysautospa]

Anthony....I also found it impossible.until I had a guy from Myrtle Beach ,SC show me this technique in 1996. He billed himself as "Dr. Shine" he sold a line of products, but more a technique to remove acid rain.
As I said you can perform this technique with most types of compounds. It does not work on every single scratch.It needs to be a scratch that is no deeper than 1000 grit scratch. Some scratches that wet sanding want remove even if you went down to 1000 grit paper.It works well on clear coat scratches.
The technique is not for the timid.As you generate lots of heat with the buffing pad,and there is a fine line between the scratch being re -flowed and covered up and burning the paint.
I have burnt many panels learning this technique. but once learned......is just something extra to have in your detailing tool box.If you have some interest or any of you do in this technique ,I will take some photos on how to do it along with a guideline of how to do it. ,but again it is not for the timid or inexperienced wheel man.

[Spawne32]

you cannot reflow urethane paint

[cartoysautospa]

well it's seems you know better........so I will not argue your statement, It must just be my imagination,lol

[Ronkh]

Just an observation on my part.

The term "fe-flowing" would mean that the paint was somehow re-liquified and then flowed into scratches etc.

Even if it were possible to re-liquify the paint, the pad would pick up or soak up the paint that had been liquified.

MYTH BUSTED