Meg`s MF Finishing Pad. Delaminated in 30 seconds use

**SuperBee364** · 10-20-2011, 10:42 AM

Was excited to finally use Meg`s MF Finishing pad today.

Turned in to this:

in 30 seconds of use. Wow.

This was on a DA, light pressure, M205 was the polish. Excuse the French, but ***? No damage to the car, thank God.

Anyone else seeing failures like this with the Meg`s MF pads???

Edit: this was at speed 4 on an original PC (not the xp pc). Is speed 4 too fast for these pads?

**Scooby24** · 10-20-2011, 10:44 AM

There must be a bad batch that didn`t get enough glue or something

**SuperBee364** · 10-20-2011, 11:12 AM

Just double checked the speed on the PC. Somehow I bumped the speed up from 4 to just over 5, so I did exceed the max recommended OPS of 4800 (probably while I was changing the backing plate).

Here`s a list of PC OPS that I borrowed from another forum:

Speeds:

1-2500 OPMs

2-3200 OPMs

3-3900 OPMs

4-4600 OPMs

5-5300 OPMs

6-6000 OPMs

So yeah, speed 4 is almost up to the 4800 OPS limit Meg`s recommends, and 5 is a bit above that.

It would appear that Meg`s is *serious* about the 4800 OPS speed limit. Yeesh.

So, just to clarify, this was *not* a pad defect, but rather user error. For your own safety/sanity, DON`T SPEED when it comes to the MF pads. Lesson learned.

Edit: There are two different speed limits. 4800 OPS for the cutting MF pads, and 3800 OPS for the finishing MF pads. As I was using the finishing MF pad, I was way over the speed limit. Ouch.

**Bill D** · 10-20-2011, 11:18 AM

That`s really troubling! With this the most recent issue with Meg`s pads, I hope they`re offering a full refund/replacement until they get this all sorted out. I haven`t seen any formal annoucement of such yet. Maybe they just haven`t gotten the manufacturing process or supplier down pat yet. :nixweiss

**SuperBee364** · 10-20-2011, 11:24 AM

Bill, just to clarify, this wasn`t a Meg`s screw up, it was mine. /blush

Hopefully this thread will prevent some idiot (what`s that saying about stuff being idiot proof?) from making the same, easily avoidable mistake I did.

Summary:

The speed limit on the MF Cutting Pads is 4800 OPM, or about PC7424 speed 4.

The speed limit on the MF Finishing Pads is 3800 OPM, or about PC7424 speed 3.

Looks like I win the "Better idiot of the Day" award. /blush again.

**countrysquire** · 10-20-2011, 11:42 AM

I think that there was a bad batch of them. I had two fail before completing one car. Called Meguiars and they had new pads on my front porch within a couple days. Since then I`ve done three cars with one pad and it`s holding up just fine. Must have been an issue with the adhesive that was used. Call Meguiars, they`ll make it right.

**Scooby24** · 10-20-2011, 11:50 AM

Originally Posted by SuperBee364

Just double checked the speed on the PC. Somehow I bumped the speed up from 4 to just over 5, so I did exceed the max recommended OPS of 4800 (probably while I was changing the backing plate).

Here`s a list of PC OPS that I borrowed from another forum:

Speeds:

1-2500 OPMs

2-3200 OPMs

3-3900 OPMs

4-4600 OPMs

5-5300 OPMs

6-6000 OPMs

So yeah, speed 4 is almost up to the 4800 OPS limit Meg`s recommends, and 5 is a bit above that.

It would appear that Meg`s is *serious* about the 4800 OPS speed limit. Yeesh.

So, just to clarify, this was *not* a pad defect, but rather user error. For your own safety/sanity, DON`T SPEED when it comes to the MF pads. Lesson learned.

Edit: There are two different speed limits. 4800 OPS for the cutting MF pads, and 3800 OPS for the finishing MF pads. As I was using the finishing MF pad, I was way over the speed limit. Ouch.

Nope, it`s not that bad. I did an entire car last weekend and was playing around with the MF pads on all speed settings and lots of pressure/heat. Even did whole panels at speed 6 on my PC with M105 and it didn`t have an issue. A few seconds at that speed isn`t what cause it to do that.

**Tru_Shine** · 10-20-2011, 11:56 AM

I disagree completely with you on the high speed failure. I run my MF disc on speed 6 all the time with my Griot`s 6in DA. and my opinion, the MF DA system likes the high speeds. so in this case it was not your fault. it is a pad failure. 100%. ive used them on speed 6 plenty of times. and on the FLEX 3401 on speed 6. both of which it handled fine.

**David Fermani** · 10-20-2011, 12:08 PM

Originally Posted by SuperBee364

Bill, just to clarify, this wasn`t a Meg`s screw up, it was mine. /blush

Originally Posted by countrysquire

I think that there was a bad batch of them. I had two fail before completing one car. Called Meguiars and they had new pads on my front porch within a couple days.

As soon as I saw this thread I e-mailed it to Jason Rose for this response:

Thanks for informing me.

That is NOT user error. That is a defective pad. We are aware of the issue and have resolved it, but unfortunately some pads made it out to distribution with no way of tracking them (another problem we solved with batch coding on the pads now.)

Please instruct to return for credit from the source and get a replacement.

Our sincere apology to you and the market for this quality issue. Clearly not up to Meguiar`s standards. Very sorry.

Jason Rose

Field Marketing Manager: Professional Products

Meguiarâ€™s, Inc.

**SuperBee364** · 10-20-2011, 01:13 PM

Thanks for the response, gents, much appreciated.

It was a two pack that I got from Rick at ADS. The second pad has been working fine (almost have the entire car finished with just that pad), but I have been extremely careful not to go above speed 3.5 on the PC with it.

So I guess I`ll bug Rick for a replacement. Kinda hate to bother him with it, as it`s a Meg`s screw up, not his.

On a positive note, I am getting great results with this pad on my car so far.

**David Fermani** · 10-20-2011, 01:21 PM

You could also just try contacting Jason Rose @ Meguiars: jrose AT meguiars.com

**C. Charles Hahn** · 10-20-2011, 01:25 PM

Originally Posted by SuperBee364

Kinda hate to bother him with it, as it`s a Meg`s screw up, not his.

I`m sure Meguiar`s takes care of the vendors on their end....

**RaskyR1** · 10-20-2011, 01:35 PM

Sup you should be able to run the PC at speed 5 with no issues. That being said use whatever speed is need to maintain pad rotation while under pressure. With my GG6 it does it easily with speed 3.5-4. On my PC or PCXP I need speed 5.

I still have pads in use from Dec last year as well as some post release ones I`ve ordered after the initial release. I typically do a small car with only one pad and I work them very hard without any issues.....so it was definitely one from the bad batch.

**Bill D** · 10-20-2011, 01:40 PM

Originally Posted by SuperBee364

Bill, just to clarify, this wasn`t a Meg`s screw up, it was mine. /blush

Hopefully this thread will prevent some idiot (what`s that saying about stuff being idiot proof?) from making the same, easily avoidable mistake I did.

Summary:

The speed limit on the MF Cutting Pads is 4800 OPM, or about PC7424 speed 4.

The speed limit on the MF Finishing Pads is 3800 OPM, or about PC7424 speed 3.

Looks like I win the "Better idiot of the Day" award. /blush again.

Okay, thanks for that clarification. Sounds like it`s worked out and anyone with the issue will be covered. It was still an important heads up.

**SuperBee364** · 10-20-2011, 02:18 PM

I think maybe I`ll go straight to Jason on this. It`s been a few years since we`ve talked.

I`m a bit concerned that ADS`s stock of these pads might be the possibly defective ones. Sure would suck to get these pads replaced with more defective ones.

I looked at the packaging of the 5" and 3" MF pads. I was unable to see anything resembling a batch number on either package.

I slowly worked the second pad up to the speed that destroyed the first one. It`s hanging together so far, but for how long...