Winter Protection & Durability

[Ace Of Spades]

So far, my EX-P has held up great. Been on there for about 5 months and still strong. Previously, I used the Klasse twins in the winter. This year I am going to put EX-P to the test of a Michigan winter. We'll see how it handles it.

[NYV6Coupe]

Hi Ace,

Looks like we'll both be testing EX-P this winter. Should be send feedback to Steve??

As I said, I have no previous experience with polymers & acrylics. I'm sure they do very well in the summer for shine, wetness, and protection but winter is a whole different ball game with miserable low temps, snow & ice, and the greatest nemesis ... salt.

It's hell on cars, damages roads, slow destroys our bridges, kills landscaping, bushes & trees when the plows throws hundreds of pounds of salt-laden slush into front yards.

[rabbi]

This winter I'm going to use Klasse SG on mine,UPP om my wife's and EX-P on my daughter's. I'm going to put as many coats on as time and weather permits.

[HondaMan]

Guys, I just ordered some Klasse SG to go with my AIO....I plan to use them together, but I also have pretty much a complete line of Poorboys stuff, was wondering if anyone had used EX-P instead of SG to go with AIO? Generally, I would guess it's best to use Poorboys polish and sealants with each other and likewise with Klasse, but I'm sure some of you mixed-and-matched.

If so, just want to hear if they're compatible, no difference than staying with the same brand, or any problems. From what I hear here, they should work fine together but I'll defer to your experience.

FWIW, I intend to double or triple layer PB or Klasse sometime in October or November. They use tons of salt where I live and on top of that, I'm at a dead-end street which means all the junk is last to get swept away or never swept (in fact, I am thinking of calling the town because the street sweeper never came this year and I'm tired of going over the sand pebbles dropped from last winter).

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[HondaMan]

Rabbi, what's the "18/23rds" reference to ??

[NYV6Coupe]

Hondaman

I think it means just what it says, the layers of UPP that rabbi applied are 18/23rd's thick or about .78 of an inch.
If you tried to fit a NASCAR template over the car it'd probably fail 'cause it's too wide, too long, and too tall.


just kidding

[NYV6Coupe]

rabbi,

Looks like an excellent test, please make sure to post your results in the spring.

As I said I'm very new at this so what do you use to remove the multi-layered products when you're doing a major detailing in the spring or when you want a fresh surface to try a new combo?

Is it a matter of washing with the correct product(s) or do you get after the surface with some SSR1, FPII, or similar product so you're starting with a fresh surface?

Thanks

[HondaMan]

That can't be....I read here or elsewhere that a standard layer of protection (sealant, wax, whatever) is only .006-.008 of an inch thick.

18/23rds of an inch would mean 100 layers.

Can't be.

[NYV6Coupe]

Hondaman,

like I said, just kidding. I'm sure it means rabbi has 18 to 23 layers of UPP. The whole car has 18 layers and some areas, probably hood, roof & read deck, have an extra 5 layers.

I wonder if layering reaches a point of diminishing returns after about 5 or 6 layers. I know the products go on / come off easy and not alot of product is used if applied correctly, but do the extra layers PROTECT the paint better or do the extra layers make it LOOK better, you know, more reflective.

Just wondering.

[rabbi]

18 coats to 23 coats of UPP on my car and 15 to 18 coats on my wife's. I put on so many coats on I lost count. On my car I used Poorboy's ProPolish to clean my car up. By March there wasn't much left if any. In Cincinnati the highway mtce. crew get carried away with dumping salt. On my wife's I used UPC. Before I applied these cleaners I clayed.

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[HondaMan]

You must be putting it on weeklyr or more frequently...I mean, doesn't it degrade after a while anyway? After a certain point, I would think that regular washing, other coats of UPP or detailing products, or the elements would "take off" the earlier coats.

Or render them less effective.

Or are they "sealed in below" and maintained?

Whatever, I just thought there was bigtime diminishing marginal returns after 4 or 5 or 6 coats.

[JaredPointer]

I believe people will differ on their opinions of this. Also, it is all in what you like. Do whatever you think looks best for the car. I like to put numerous layers on as well. If it doesn't 'layer' at least I know I am having a constant 'new' layer of protection. It also keeps the car looking good too. I don't think you can go wrong as long as you like what the finshed product looks like.

[NYV6Coupe]

well stated, it comes down to personal preference.

If you think it looks good / protects better / lasts longer then that's what's right for you.

I'm always open to hear other's opinions on products, product application, and different combo's. It's a good way to learn without "reinventing the wheel".

[HondaMan]

Yup, good point Jared....since I am time-constrained, I doubt I can ever get to 18 layers...but I do intend to do some double-weekend multi-layering in the fall ahead of the winter season here in NY. Multiple PB or Klasse followed by some UPP coats or PB finishes, all double-or triple layered.

Should hold together for 3-4 months in the NY winter, since my car will be garaged.

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[NYV6Coupe]

I'm garaged most nights, wish it was heated.