questions about Black 05 Dodge Magnum

[tuscarora dave]

Good evening all, I just booked an estimate for tomorrow night for a full correction on a black 05 Dodge Magnum. I want to be as prepared as posible for this estimate. The perspective client is the house keeper of one of my best clients. I intend to do a test area on this car tomorrow and I will be prepared for nearly anything as this car is discribed as pretty scratched up.

The purpose of this thread is to ask the detailing community here for any experience/knowlege of this particular car. Is the clear hard or soft, is the paint on these cars known to be thin or do they seem to have a tough finish that will afford some serious correction. Are there any tips or warnings as to tricky to polish panels or unusually thin areas? Have any of you experienced any unseen pitfalls with this perticular car or this particular paint.

Thanks in advance for any insight or experience that any of you may share. I intend on using a rotary and Poorboy's World SSR line on this car, followed by a coat of PB EXP pure sealant and a coat of Natty's Blue paste wax.

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[Poorboy]

we have a 05 Chrysler Mini van and the paint is very easy to work with ... the one thing I have not had any issues with is the paint ... SSR2.5 with either a light cut or polishing pad should make quick work of it ... you can also ask Beercan as he has a Black Dodge and his certainly has bling

[tuscarora dave]

Originally Posted by Poorboy

we have a 05 Chrysler Mini van and the paint is very easy to work with ... the one thing I have not had any issues with is the paint ... SSR2.5 with either a light cut or polishing pad should make quick work of it ... you can also ask Beercan as he has a Black Dodge and his certainly has bling

Yes we do know that Beercan has bling!!! Thanks for the heads up and the great Idea about asking Beercan.

[cartoysautospa]

use a yellow foam pad with some medium cut compound that has polish in the formula.Chrysler paint is very forgiving , but is easy to swirl up. Use a yellow pad to remove the swirls on a cyclo buffer, with some 1500 grit compound/polish, then finish up with a green foam pad with your sealer, it will be liquid glass if done correctly

[Ronkh]

Originally Posted by cartoysautospa

use a yellow foam pad with some medium cut compound that has polish in the formula.Chrysler paint is very forgiving , but is easy to swirl up. Use a yellow pad to remove the swirls on a cyclo buffer, with some 1500 grit compound/polish, then finish up with a green foam pad with your sealer, it will be liquid glass if done correctly

No intermediate step on black?

Also what kind of pads. Yellow in LC is aggressive.

[9D4E420]

Originally Posted by cartoysautospa

use a yellow foam pad with some medium cut compound that has polish in the formula.Chrysler paint is very forgiving , but is easy to swirl up. Use a yellow pad to remove the swirls on a cyclo buffer, with some 1500 grit compound/polish, then finish up with a green foam pad with your sealer, it will be liquid glass if done correctly

What product line are you using?

[cartoysautospa]

I have all my products private labeled. as I do not use commercially sold products, because they are either too weak or too much cut. My 2 products I have are Perfect cut which is a 1200 grit compound with a polish mixed in , and my swirl remover and or light compound is Glazier Glaze,it is a 1500 grit with polishing agents.

[TrueDetailer]

Originally Posted by cartoysautospa

I have all my products private labeled. as I do not use commercially sold products, because they are either too weak or too much cut. My 2 products I have are Perfect cut which is a 1200 grit compound with a polish mixed in , and my swirl remover and or light compound is Glazier Glaze,it is a 1500 grit with polishing agents.

What

[JaredPointer]

1500 grit seems pretty rough as a finishing paper - I couldn't imagine using something like that as a finish polish.

[cartoysautospa]

it's not it's part of the process to remove swirls. after that step then you put on your sealer. I am beginning to wonder about how you guys on here refinish a vehicles paint? It's a process not just a wham bam thank you mam approach

[JaredPointer]

Originally Posted by cartoysautospa

it's not it's part of the process to remove swirls. after that step then you put on your sealer. I am beginning to wonder about how you guys on here refinish a vehicles paint? It's a process not just a wham bam thank you mam approach

I don't think anyone here stated it was a "quick approach" as you so eloquently put it. I can only speak for myself, but generally when I go about removing swirls and defects it's a two or three "step" polishing job using different pads and polishes to achieve the desired result.

If anything, I think most of us are questioning your ability to use a one-step polish and slap on a sealant and call it a day. On top of your amazing ability to wetsand an entire car in a couple of hours. Again, an explanation of your process might help me understand...

[cartoysautospa]

well I specialize in black cars. and it is a process and not a slam bam thank you mam approach. However said, I do 2-3 black cars per day , so with that I have it down pretty much and it takes me less time to do a car than say you or other detailer's on here.

It is a process , however over the years I have perfected my process and I can teach this process to anyone. I only hire in experienced people for my shop, so they do not bring with them bad habits. I train all my employees myself. The Cartoys way.

Here is what you need to have a good job;
high speed polisher, Makita or Hitachi
I use Ardex "edge" foam pads , they are simply the best and last the longest.
I use the yellow pad for just about every car for the first cut.

I only use a high speed polisher for the cut, and after that it goes on the shelf.
I use a Cyclo polisher for removing swirls and applying sealant.
The cyclo polisher is the best as you will not get swirls period, also it is the best polisher for removing swirls period .

After I cut the car , I return the car to the prep area and re wash the car, re dry the car.
step two , using a cyclo polisher with some 1500 grit polish compound ( I have my own made ) but use what you like remove the swirls with a yellow foam pads

wipe off the compound with a micro fiber towel

Step 3 apply your sealer , wax what ever with a white foam pad and cyclo polisher.

wipe down with micro fiber towel.

It takes me 5-6 hours to polish a Black car to perfection.
If you need to see examples of my work you can visit my web site. PM me and I'll provide the URL.

[JaredPointer]

Fair enough. 5-6 hours is about what it might take me to do a normal sized vehicle with my routine for a prep/polish and seal/wax using a Flex DA. I'm hardly ever in a rush, as I don't do this to pay the bills. More or less I do it for my own enjoyment and for the satisfaction of "polishing a turd."

I looked at your website. I can't really tell much from the before and after photos as they can't be resized. Sharp Corvette. What's with the furniture?

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[GearHead_1]

Originally Posted by JaredPointer

I looked at your website. I can't really tell much from the before and after photos as they can't be resized. Sharp Corvette. What's with the furniture?

This! The pictures couldn't possibly do CarToys justice even if they're excellent detailers. Just can't see enough detail to appreciate the work. The chosen text makes reading the info on this site too much like work.

As far as the Dodge paint is concerned, I worked on a 05 Maroon Pick Up the other day. I found the paint to be very easy to work with. When finished, the paint was deep, leaning towards black or a dark cherry. It came to me with a moderate amount of swirling but polished out with SSR 2.5 and then SSR 1 very nicely. I topped it off with an old bottle of DP sealant. Man I'm sorry this product is no longer offered.

[Poorboy]

are we getting a bit off topic

Dave ... Beercan said he will call you tonight to discuss the Magnum